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Stetson's avatar

Excellent piece! Riskin's argument is quite weak insofar as she seeks refuge behind moral philosophy and misunderstands Sapolsky's position on agency/intentionality.

I do think proponents of determinism, Sapolsky included, have a few hurdles to clear still:

1) The nature of causation.

Does it actually function deterministically in an evolved complex system like humans. The Kevin Mitchell argument is that eventually the complex organism takes the reigns as a cause itself.

2) The role of consciousness.

Does conscious experience matter at all to outcomes? Is it a cause itself and, if yes, then its mechanisms need to be understood. If it is epiphenomenal then it is not a hurdle.

2a) Assuming consciousness matters as a cause of behavior and agency is real, how do we understand meta-cognition wrt to agency? Is this both a product of passive brain activity and under the control of conscious brain activity? Can we pull apart these recursive loops or is it hopeless?

4) The normative takeaways from determinism (even accepting the Sapolsky take on agency - you can't intend your intentions) just seem incorrect. If people have a strong tendency and preference for ethical systems that treat people as agents with a will they control then determinists should accept that prudentially because prior deterministic processes bequeathed that tendency (even if it isn't true). The strong reaction determinists receive is a signal that such normative extensions are in err.

Oliver Burkeman's avatar

Obviously it’s good to get clear on the nuances of different positions in the debate, but I always wonder what is supposed to be so non-fatalistic about a fate you in fact cannot avoid but that just happens to arise via your desires/will rather than by bulldozing over your desires/will. Different routes to the same destination surely?

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